E55 Phil In the Box
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Phil n Sarah take the podcast to UVU where they find a nice view and a table to do their thing at. Sarah interviews Phil about the necessity of thinking inside the box in order to learn a discipline and then coming out of the box. \\xa0She also asks him about his college days and adds some of her thoughts about how college started out as a revolutionary space and eventually became standardized. Sarah shares her anger about what Phil calls a breast milking station. Apparently one can't breast feed out in the open in those parts.
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