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b'Kara and Steve Case go back \\u2014 way back, to the 1990s. She was a young Washington Post reporter covering a new thing called \\u201cthe Internet\\u201d \\u2026 and he was a co-founder of the company that became AOL. In this conversation, they take a walk back through time to look at how far the world has come and where tech companies have stumbled or fallen flat. They discuss Case\\u2019s new book, \\u201cRise of the Rest,\\u201d which offers an optimistic future for the expansion of entrepreneurship and innovation beyond a handful of places like Silicon Valley, Boston and New York City. They also discuss whether a more equitable distribution of economic growth is possible, given some of the nation\\u2019s political divides \\u2014 and potential solutions for bridging those divides.\\xa0\\nBefore the interview, Kara and Nayeema talk about the newsmakers of the day, including Theranos founder, Elizabeth Holmes, who is seeking a new trial, and the deep pockets of \\u201canti-woke\\u201d investors in Silicon Valley including, of course, Peter Thiel. As always, Kara offers unsolicited advice.\\xa0\\nDo you want some (solicited) advice from Kara? Call 1-888-KARA-PLZ and leave a message.\\nYou can find Kara and Nayeema on Twitter @karaswisher and @nayeema.\\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices'