Actor Paul Giamatti seems to have perfected the hyper-articulate, slightly depressed curmudgeon \u2013 and this year, it might land him an Oscar. Kara and Paul talk about why his role in The Holdovers hit close to home, the challenges of developing a multi-season TV character like Billions\u2019 D.A. Chuck Rhoades, and how a \u201cchinwag\u201d led him to co-host a podcast about metaphysics, time travel and UFOs.\n\nQuestions? Comments? Email us at on@voxmedia.com or find us on social media. We\u2019re on Instagram/Threads as @karaswisher and @nayeemaraza\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices