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b'Late spring/early summer is always a busy time for the Supreme Court, but this year, it\\u2019s not just the controversial\\xa0decisions that are making news. The justices themselves have been in headlines \\u2014 for all the wrong reasons. Kara and an expert panel discuss the ethical lapses, refusals the recuse, and of course, the cases themselves \\u2014 including the big one, over Trump\\u2019s claim to \\u201ccomplete and total\\u201d immunity.\\n\\nThe panelists are: Judge Nancy Gertner (retired), a lecturer at Harvard Law School and former US District Court judge for the District of Massachusetts who served on the Presidential Commission on the Supreme Court; Kedric Payne, vice president, general counsel, and senior director for ethics at the Campaign Legal Center; and Judge David Tatel (retired), a former judge on the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit and author of the new book Vision: A Memoir of Blindness and Justice.\\n\\nThis interview was recorded on Tuesday June 18.\\xa0\\n\\nQuestions? Comments? Email us at on@voxmedia.com or find Kara on Instagram/Threads as @karaswisher\\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices'