[Unedited] Rebecca Traister and Avi Klein with Krista Tippett
The feminist journalist and the psychotherapist. \u201cIt\u2019s partners and lovers and spouses\u2026fathers and brothers and sons and friends.\u201d The difference between apology and forgiveness. \u201cMen are used to trying to fix things.\u201d Trauma, and also healing.\nWhat we are naming with the impetus of #MeToo is, at best, an opening to a long-term cultural reckoning to grow up humanity; to make our society more whole. We explore this with psychotherapist Avi Klein, who works with men and couples, and feminist journalist Rebecca Traister. In a room full of journalists, at the invitation of the Solutions Journalism Network, we explored how to build the spaces, the imaginative muscle, and the pragmatic forms to support healing for women and men, now and in time.\nRebecca Traister is a writer for \u201cNew York Magazine\u201d and a contributing editor at \u201cElle.\u201d She is the author of \u201cBig Girls Don\u2019t Cry,\u201d \u201cAll the Single Ladies,\u201d and \u201cGood and Mad: The Revolutionary Power of Women\u2019s Anger.\u201d\nAvi Klein is a psychotherapist and licensed clinical social worker. He practices in Manhattan. His 2018 \u201cNew York Times\u201d Op-Ed piece is titled \u201cWhat Men Say About #MeToo in Therapy.\u201d\nThis interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode \u201cRebecca Traister and Avi Klein \u2014 #MeToo Through a Solutions Lens.\u201d Find more at onbeing.org.