We\u2019re fluent in the languages of psychology and medication, but the word \u201cdepression\u201d does not do justice to this human experience. Depression is also spiritual territory. It is a shadow side of human vitality and as such teaches us about vitality. Is depression possible for the same reason that love is possible? This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode \u201cThe Soul in Depression.\u201d Find more at onbeing.org.