Nancy Cantor is a social psychologist and the chancellor of Rutgers University\u2013Newark, one of the most diverse institutions in the U.S. She is widely recognized for helping forge a new understanding of the role of universities in society that re-emphasizes their public mission. Christopher Howard is the first African-American president of Hampden\u2013Sydney College in Virginia, an historically white all male school in the South. He is one of the youngest college presidents in the U.S., a distinguished graduate of the Air Force Academy, and a former Rhodes Scholar. This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode \u201cNancy Cantor and Christopher Howard \u2014 Beyond the Ivory Tower.\u201d Find more at onbeing.org.