[Unedited] Jonathan Rowson with Krista Tippett
b'Applied philosopher Jonathan Rowson insists on holding a deeper appreciation for how our inner worlds influence our outer worlds. His research organization, Perspectiva, examines how social change happens across \\u201csystems, souls, and society.\\u201d \\u201cIf we can get better and more nimble and more generous about how we move between those worlds, then the chance of creating a hope that makes sense for all of us is all the greater,\\u201d he says. We engage his broad spiritual lens on the great dynamics of our time, from social life to the economy to the climate.\\n\\nJonathan Rowson is co-founder and director of the research institute Perspectiva based in London. He is also the former director of the Social Brain Centre at the Royal Society of Arts and is a chess grandmaster and three-time British Chess Champion. His books include \\u201cThe Seven Deadly Chess Sins,\\u201d \\u201cChess for Zebras,\\u201d and, most recently, \\u201cSpiritualize: Cultivating Spiritual Sensibility to Address 21st Century Challenges.\\u201d His forthcoming book, \\u201cThe Moves that Matter: A Chess Grandmaster on the Game of Life,\\u201d will be published in November 2019.\\n\\nThis interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode "Jonathan Rowson \\u2014 Integrating Our Souls, Systems, and Society." Find more at onbeing.org.'