Radical reform of access to third level education is needed, including abolishing the leaving cert so says a motion from People before profit which will be debated in the Dail today. Joining Ciara to discuss this morning was People Before Profit TD Richard Boyd Barrett. Listen and subscribe to Newstalk Breakfast on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Download, listen and subscribe on the Newstalk App. You can also listen to Newstalk live on newstalk.com or on Alexa, by adding the Newstalk skill and asking: 'Alexa, play Newstalk'.