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Zibby interviews author, psychotherapist, and former Google on-site therapist Katherine Morgan Schafler about her rigorously researched, empathetic, and empowering new book The Perfectionist\\u2019s Guide to Losing Control: A Path to Peace and Power \\u2013 a love letter to all ambitious, high-achieving women. Katherine describes the five types of perfectionism (classic, intense, Parisian, messy, and procrastinator), the actionable steps all perfectionists can take to build self-compassion, and how her career in psychotherapy has changed her life. She also talks candidly about the time she finally lost all control and how she came back better from it.

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