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b'Jen Gotch is the founder and chief creative officer of Ban.do, the multimillion-dollar lifestyle brand. She is also a fellow podcaster and former host of the show "Jen Gotch is Okay, Sometimes." Jen is a mental health advocate, reluctantly as you\'ll find out, and the author of the book\\xa0The Upside of Being Down: How Mental Health Struggles Led to My Greatest Successes in Work and Life.\\xa0This accessible self-help memoir dives into Jen\\u2019s personal history with mental health issues, building her brand, and ways to implement better life practices! Jen and I covered so much during our conversation including how society glamorizes being busy and Jen\\u2019s personal family history. Jen\'s passion for creating a brand that invokes her personal message is so inspirational and I was moved by her hope that this book will help others feel less alone. I loved Jen\\u2019s tip to schedule fun into your calendar and make it non-negotiable! I think we could all use that advice right now! (For listeners with kids at home, this episode does include adult language.)

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