Hanne De Jaegher Making Sense Together
b"In this episode, Wendy speaks with philosopher and cognitive scientist Hanne De Jaegher. Hanne was influenced by Francisco Varela's ideas from an early age, and has been working to extend enactive theories of mind into social contexts. This conversation covers many topics, including:\\n \\n \\nroots in Varela's work and an early interest in thinking;\\n \\nsense-making and embodiment as foundational to cognition;\\n \\nhow our habits and models fit (or don't) with our experience;\\n \\nparticipatory sense-making and the primacy of interaction;\\n \\nhow interpersonal dynamics can have a life of their own;\\n \\nloving and knowing, letting others be;\\n \\nover- vs. underdetermining (how our projections of others shape interactions);\\n \\nemotional capacity and dementia;\\n \\nunderstanding autistic people from their own side;\\n \\nthe need for people in dominant positions to listen;\\n \\nthe importance of silence in dialogue;\\n \\nproblems with the way social media platforms discourage interaction;\\n \\ninteractions within one person;\\n \\nsynthesis and breakdown;\\n \\ntension between self and interdependence (creating boundaries);\\n \\nand applying these ideas to our relationship with nature.\\nFull show notes and resources"