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Oh sorry...I didn't mean to startle you but we're talking about the 2003 album by tha band To My Surprise, 20 years after it's release.

To My Surprise is a fascinating, although be it short lived, project, probably most known for being the side project of Slipknot mastermind and percussionist Shawn Crahan who not only thought it was fun to create with Crayola...but also with renowned producer and former owner of Smokey Mountain Wrestling... RICK RUBIN. That's right, this self titled album was produced by Rick and would be the first time these two would work together, pre-dating even Slipknot's Volume 3 record which Rick also helmed.

Shawn was not alone however; Early Slipknot member and current successful producer in his own right, Brandon Darner, was the Crahan Collaborator for this opus and would help it sound like nothing else Slipknot or any of their off-shoots ever created and that's who we're talking to on this very special episode.

Brandon tells us all about his relationship with Shawn, tha idea for the band, making tha album with Rick Rubin, his band tha Envy Corps and even early days with Slipknot playing with THE URGE.

All this and nothing else on an all new Meep Meep!