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David Grann is a staff writer for\xa0The New Yorker. His latest book is\xa0The Wager: A Tale of Shipwreck, Mutiny and Murder.\n\u201cI became very haunted by the stories that [nations] don't tell. Nations and empires preserve their powers not only by the stories they tell, but also by the stories they leave out. \u2026 Early in my career, if I came across the silences in a story, I might not have highlighted them, because I thought,\xa0Well, there's nothing to tell there.\xa0And now I try to let the silences speak.\u201d\nShow notes:\n\n@DavidGrann\n\ndavidgrann.com\n\nGrann on Longform\n\nGrann on Longform Podcast #3\n\nGrann on Longform Podcast #241\n\nGrann on Longform Podcast #329\n\nGrann's\xa0New Yorker\xa0archive\n\n01:00\xa0The Wager: A Tale of Shipwreck, Mutiny and Murder\xa0(Doubleday \u2022 2023)\n\n02:00\xa0Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI\xa0(Doubleday \u2022 2017)\n\n28:00\xa0The White Darkness\xa0(Doubleday \u2022 2018)\n\n61:00\xa0Killers of the Flower Moon\xa0(Martin Scorsese \u2022 Appian Way, Apple Studios \u2022 2023)\n\n\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices