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Kelsey McKinney is a features writer and co-owner at\xa0Defector.com. She hosts the podcast\xa0Normal Gossip\xa0and is the author of the upcoming book\xa0You Didn't Hear This From Me: (Mostly) True Notes on Gossip.\n\u201cI was always very interested in how you strategize a creative career. And I think that that is an unsexy thing to talk about, right? It's much sexier to be like,\xa0Oh, I love working on my sentence-level craft, which is not true for me. But I think that a lot of a creative career is understanding it is still a job, and then understanding how you make sure that within the container of the job you can do the work that you want to do. That is a really difficult balance to make. So if you can understand how people who have done it before you, you can copy them.\u201d\nShow notes:\n\n@mckinneykelsey\n\nkelseymckinney.com\n\nMcKinney on Longform\n\nMcKinney\u2019s\xa0Defector\xa0archive\n\n04:00\xa0\u201cWhy Doesn\u2019t Mrs. Dalloway Get a Day of Her Own?\u201d\xa0(Slate \u2022 Jan 2000)\n\n13:00\xa0\u201cChris Evans: American Marvel\u201d\xa0(Edith Zimmerman \u2022 GQ \u2022 July 2011)\n\n23:00\xa0McKinney\u2019s\xa0Deadspin\xa0archive\n\n\n31:00\xa0God Spare the Girls\xa0(Harper Collins \u2022 2022)\n\n39:00\xa0\u201cGossip Is Not a Sin\u201d\xa0(New York Times \u2022 July 2021)\n\n43:00\xa0You Didn\u2019t Hear This From Me\xa0(Viking \u2022 2025)\n\n58:00\xa0\u201cLearning To Play Piano When There Is No Recital\u201d\xa0(Defector \u2022 Dec 2023)\n\n\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices