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Liz Hoffman, a former\xa0The Wall Street Journal\xa0reporter, is now the business and finance editor for\xa0Semafor. Her new book is\xa0Crash Landing: The Inside Story of How the World's Biggest Companies Survived an Economy on the Brink.\n\u201cI think these systems are hugely important and are wielded by people who are not that accessible. If you can sort of open the aperture a little bit and unpack that and explain to people what\u2019s going on and leave them to sort of, you know, come away with their own conclusions about the morality of the whole thing \u2014 that's where I\u2019m most comfortable.\u201d\nShow notes:\n\n@lizrhoffman\n\nHoffman\u2019s\xa0Semafor\xa0archive\n\nHoffman\u2019s\xa0Wall Street Journal\xa0archive\n\n30:00\xa0Ben Smith on Longform Podcast\n\n\n37:00\xa0"Microsoft eyes $10 billion bet on ChatGPT"\xa0(Hoffman and Reed Albergotti \u2022 Semafor \u2022 Jan 2023)\n\n\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices