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Nancy Updike is a founding producer and senior editor at\xa0This American Life. Jenelle Pifer, a former\xa0Longform Podcast\xa0editor, is a senior producer at Serial. Their new three-part podcast, hosted by Updike and produced by Pifer, is\xa0We Were Three.\nUpdike: \u201cI say it\u2019s a story that\u2019s a bit about COVID, but really about a family, and that\u2019s the closest I\u2019ve gotten to a short version. I don\u2019t know. Why is that? I never have a short version of something I\u2019m working on\u2014never.\u201d\nPifer: \u201cWe were doing a lot of talking about, for Nancy, what are the driving questions you tend to be attracted to? There were a few things we came up with, one of which was that you tend to gravitate toward stories where somebody is in the middle of something that they don\u2019t know what to make of yet, and you kind of just want to sit with them and see what direction they walk in, or what they say, or what meaning they put onto something.\u201d\nShow notes:\n\n@jenellepifer\n\njenelle-pifer.com\n\nUpdike\u2019s\xa0This American Life\xa0archive\n\nUpdike\u2019s\xa0New York Times\xa0archive\n\n05:00Rachel McKibben\u2019s Twitter thread\n\n\n24:00\xa0Heavyweight #46 Dan\xa0(Jonathan Goldstein \u2022 Gimlet \u2022 2022)\n\n39:00\xa0Nice White Parents\xa0(Chana Joffe-Walt \u2022 Serial Productions \u2022 2020)\n\n\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices