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Vanessa Grigoriadis, contributing editor at New York\xa0and\xa0Vanity Fair.\n\nOn the art of the celebrity interview: "People are smart. Particularly these people. They're sitting there thinking, "When is she going to drop that question?" They know what you're doing. So the way I think about it is: let's have an actual, genuine, human, interesting conversation. ... [Journalists] have all sorts of schemes of what they think works for them. My scheme is no scheme."\n\nShow notes:\n@thevanessag\nvanessagrigoriadis.com\nGrigoriadis on Longform\n[4:00] "Why Is Nancy Pelosi Always Smiling?" (New York \u2022 Nov 2009)\n[13:00] "Can Shakira Conquer the World?" (Rolling Stone \u2022 Oct 2009) [pdf]\n[16:30] "Travels in the New Psychedelic Bazaar" (New York \u2022 Apr 2013)\n[23:30] "New York's Power-Girl Publicists" (New York \u2022 Dec 1998)\n[38:00] "The Adventures of Super Boy" (Rolling Stone \u2022 Mar 2011)\n[40:45] "Everybody Sucks: Gawker and the Rage of the Creative Underclass" (New York \u2022 Oct 2007)\n[43:30] "The Tragedy of Britney Spears" (Rolling Stone \u2022 Feb 2008)\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices