Andy Greenberg is a senior writer for Wired. His new book is Sandworm.\n\n\u201cI kind of knew I was never going to get access to Sandworm, which is the title of the book - so it was all about drawing a picture around this invisible monster.\u201d\n\nThanks to Mailchimp, Pitt Writers, and Family Ghosts for sponsoring this week's episode.\n\n\n\n\n@a_greenberg\n\n\nGreenberg's archive at Wired\n\n\n[03:22] Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous Hackers (Doubleday \u2022 2019)\n\n\n[06:21] Dune (Chilton Books \u2022 1965)\n\n\n[07:03] \u201cHow an Entire Nation Became Russia's Test Lab for Cyberwar\u201d (Wired \u2022 2017)\n\n\n[33:50]Greenberg's archive at Forbes\n\n\n[37:09]\u201cIs Bitcoin's Creator this Unknown Australian Genius? Probably Not (Updated)\u201d (Wired \u2022 2015)\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices