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Susan Casey is the former editor of O and the author of three New York Times bestselling books. Her latest is Voices in the Ocean: A Journey into the Wild and Haunting World of Dolphins.\n\n \u201cThe funny thing is people often say, \u2018You must be fearless.\u2019 I\u2019m always afraid of whatever it is. But for whatever reason\u2014I think it\u2019s partly na\xefvety, partly just overwhelming curiosity\u2014I am also not going to let fear stop me from doing things even if I feel it. Unless it\u2019s that pure \u2026you do have to listen to your body sometimes if it tells you not to do something that could result in you really never coming up from falling on that 70-foot wave.\u201d\n\nThanks to MailChimp, HelloFresh, and Squarespace, and for sponsoring this week's episode.\nsusancasey.com\n[01:00] The Devil\u2019s Teeth: A True Story of Obsession and Survival Among America\u2019s Great White Sharks (Henry Holt & Company \u2022 2006)\n[01:00] The Wave: In Pursuit of the Rogues, Freaks, and Giants of the Ocean (First Anchor Books \u2022 2011)\n[01:00] Voices in the Ocean: A Journey into the Wild and Haunting World of Dolphins (First Anchor Books \u2022 2016)\n[01:15] O Magazine\n[01:15] Time Inc.\n[07:15] "Into Thin Air" (Jon Krakauer \u2022 Outside \u2022 Sep 1996) [sub req'd]\n[07:30] "The Post-Communist Wolf" (David Quammen \u2022 Outside \u2022 Dec 2000)\n[07:30] Hampton Sides\u2019s Archive at Outside\n[08:15] "Life\u2019s Swell" (Susan Orlean \u2022 Outside \u2022 Aug 2002)\n[11:30] "Vanish" (Evan Ratliff \u2022 Wired \u2022 Dec 2009)\n[20:30] BBC Wildlife Special\u2014Great White Shark: The Silent Stalker\n[26:00] "The Jaws Paradigm" (Sports Illustrated \u2022 Aug 2006)\n[26:00] Casey\u2019s Archive at Fortune\n[26:30] Force of Nature: Mind, Body, Soul, and, of course, Surfing (Laird Hamilton \u2022 Rodale Books \u2022 2008)\n[27:15] "The World\u2019s Healthiest 75-Year-Old Man" (Esquire \u2022 May 2008)\n[28:00] "The Overstimulated Girl: A Better Head of Hair" (Esquire \u2022 Oct 2007)\n[42:30] Erik Larson on the Longform Podcast\n\n\xa0\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices