Margo Jefferson, a Pulitzer Prize winner, has written for The New York Times, Newsweek, and Harper's. Her latest book is Negroland: A Memoir.\n\n\u201cOne of the problems with\u2014burdens of\u2014\u2018race conversations\u2019 in this country is certain ideological, political, sociological narratives keep getting imposed. This is where the conversation should go, these are the roles we need. In a way, this is the comfort level of my discomfort. ... Maybe we\u2019re all somewhat addicted\u2014I think we are\u2014to certain racial conversations, with their limitations and their conventions.\u201d\n\nThanks to MailChimp and Casper for sponsoring this week's episode.\n\nShow Notes:\n@jeffersonmargo\nJefferson on Longform\nJefferson's New York Times archive\nBrownscast: The Official Podcast of the Cleveland Browns\n[19:00] On Michael Jackson (Pantheon \u2022 2006)\n[20:00] "Critic Jefferson Stays in Off-Broadway Negroland through November" (David Lefkowitz \u2022 Playbill \u2022 Nov 2001)\n[29:00] "Thomas Bradshaw by Margo Jefferson: An interview" (BOMB \u2022 2009)\n[31:00] The Hunger of Memory: The Education of Richard Rodriguez (Richard Rodriguez \u2022 Bantam Books \u2022 1982)\n[31:00] Days of Obligation: An Argument with My Mexican Father (Richard Rodriguez \u2022 Penguin \u2022 1993)\n[31:00] Brown: The Last Discovery of America (Richard Rodriguez \u2022 Penguin \u2022 2002)\n[31:00] The Women (Hilton Als \u2022 Farrar Straus Giroux \u2022 1996)\n[31:00] Memories of a Catholic Girlhood (Mary McCarthy \u2022 Harvest/HBJ \u2022 1957)\n[35:00] "Ripping Off Black Music From Thomas 'Daddy' Rice to Jimi Hendrix" (Harper's \u2022 Jan 1973) [sub req'd]\n[40:00] The Good Girls Revolt: How the Women of Newsweek Sued Their Bosses and Changed their Workplace (Lynn Povich \u2022 Perseus \u2022 2012)\n[57:00] "The Reign of Beyonc\xe9" (Vogue \u2022 Sept 2015)\n[106:00] "Books of the Times: The Scars of Disease, External and Internal" (The New York Times \u2022 Sept 1994)\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices