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Welcome to Episode 046 of The Zen Courses Show! My guest for this episode is the wonderful Holly Wren Spaulding poet, teacher, and activist. Holly has been a long time supporter of Zen Courses. I asked her to join us to share her online course journey, especially how she\xa0balances creating online programs\xa0with making art. Ready?\n\n \n\n**In This Episode, You'll Learn:**\n\n \n- Why it\u2019s good to disconnect from the online world to create\n- What an immersive course / program looks like\n- Why Holly Wren uses a seasonal structure for her program\n- How she balances teaching online with her need to create art\n- How she transitioned her in-person teaching to an online business\n- Why pricing is something you have to test\n- How she teaches transformation through poetry in an online program\n \n\n**References and Tools Mentioned:**\n\n \n- [Poetry Immersion Program](https://www.hollywrenspaulding.com/poetry-immersion/)\n- Holly's upcoming course, [A Body of Work](https://www.hollywrenspaulding.com/a-body-of-work-poetry-manuscript-incubator-course/)\n \n\n**Thanks for Listening!**\n\n \n\nIf you enjoyed this episode, please consider leaving an honest review for The Zen Courses Show on iTunes! Ratings and reviews boost ratings & help new listeners find the show. I read every review and I'd love to read yours. Click here to leave a review.\n\n \n\nAnd, finally, don\u2019t forget to subscribe to the show on iTunes to get automatic updates. If you have an Android phone, you can subscribe on Stitcher.\n\n \n\nLastly, I want to say THANK YOU to Holly for sharing her\xa0story with us on The Zen Courses Show!