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Kat and horror scholar Ashley R. Smith delve into the first \\u201cthriller\\u201d of the series and discuss how kidnapper Carl stacks up against other infamous villains of our time.\\xa0 Plus, an unlikely clue sounds the alarm that Elizabeth is in trouble!!\\xa0
Follow Ashley on Instagram!\\xa0 @thefemalehorrorscholar
The movie we mention in our discussion about escaping is "Berlin Syndrome" (available on Netflix!).\\xa0
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