Robin Whalen, President of Church + State & Ron Tite, Founder of Church + State as well as the author of Think Do Say, speak about how they have been affected by George Floyd's murder and how it has impacted the way they lead their teams and hire new staff. Orlando asks difficult questions that both Ron & Robin answer with the kind of transparency we all need to share. Listen as they all discuss how we as a black community should approach conversations regarding racism from an educational approach or a, let me enlighten you approach. It's complicated.