This week's episode of the Intelligence Squared podcast is a special episode produced by Intelligence Squared Germany in collaboration with the ECFR.\n\n\nArguing for the motion "Nationalism is a Delusion: Our Futures Depend on Ever Closer Union" were Polish politician and journalist Radek Sikorski and Swiss political activist Flavia Kleiner.\n\n\nAgainst the motion were journalist and author Douglas Murray and German-Polish political scientist Aleksandra Rybi\u0144ska.\n\n\nThe debate was chaired by Josef Janning of the ECFR. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/intelligencesquared.\n \n\xa0See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices