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On this episode of Conversations with Tom, Jamie Hetzl talks about the future of genetic engineering, the moral questions surrounding it, and the kinds of values he hopes we uphold while charting the course of our own evolution. He and Tom also discuss culture wars, science fiction and the potential problems with immortality. \n\nThis episode is brought to you by: \nSkillshare: Explore your creativity at skillshare.com/impacttheory for 2 free months of Premium Membership. \nKiwiCo: Get your FIRST MONTH FREE on select crates at kiwico.com/IMPACT \n\nSHOW NOTES:\xa0\nJamie discusses his book Hacking Darwin and how we can now influence evolution [0:26] \nJamie forecasts what we will evolve into a thousand years from now [2:20] \nJamie tells the story of natural evolution [5:29] \nJamie talks about how we will be able to eliminate genetic diseases [9:05] \nReal science that\u2019s happening now feels like science fiction [14:01] \nAt first genetic modifications will seem shocking, but then they\u2019ll become normal [16:58] \nDo we really want natural people, or do we want steroids and genetic modifications? [19:56] \nJamie tries to figure out where we should draw the line on genetic modification [23:53] \nJamie discusses the moral difficulties with genetic modification [27:03] \nJamie talks about to what extent we should protect people from themselves [31:30] \nJamie advocates being conservative at first about genetic modification [35:19] \nJamie and Tom discuss potential problems with gene editing [39:28] \nJamie and Tom discuss the reality that we will have to embrace gene editing [44:00] \nJamie discusses why we have to think collectively on a global level [51:20] \nJamie talks about science fiction and changing definitions of \u201cus\u201d and \u201cthem\u201d [55:35] \nBecause the world is so complex rules may not work, but values still will [59:49] \nWhat should a written \u201cconstitution\u201d of gene editing look like? [1:05:45] \nJamie describes how genetic editing and selection might look in the future [1:12:01] \nWill we tend towards uniformity or diversity? [1:17:36] \nJamie thinks immortality is not achievable in the physical bodies we have [1:22:25] \nHumans don\u2019t live forever because there are too many parts [1:25:25] \nTom and Jamie discuss the connections between procreation and mortality [1:29:38] \nShould you slow down your metabolism? Should you freeze sperm? [1:35:27]\xa0\n\nFOLLOW JAMIE:\xa0\nWEBSITE: jamiemetzl.com/\nINSTAGRAM: instagram.com/jamiemetzl/ \nFACEBOOK: facebook.com/jamiemetzlauthor/ \nTWITTER: twitter.com/JamieMetzl\n\nAre You Ready for EXTRA Impact?\nIf you\u2019re ready to find true fulfillment, strengthen your focus, and ignite your true potential, the Impact Theory subscription was created just for you.\nWant to transform your health, sharpen your mindset, improve your relationship, or conquer the business world? This is your epicenter of greatness.\xa0\nThis is not for the faint of heart. This is for those who dare to learn obsessively, every day, day after day.\nSubscription Benefits:\n\nUnlock the gates to a treasure trove of wisdom from inspiring guests like Andrew Huberman, Mel Robbins, Hal Elrod, Matthew McConaughey, and many, many, more\n\nNew episodes delivered ad-free\n\nExclusive access to Tom\u2019s AMAs, keynote speeches, and suggestions from his personal reading list\n\nYou\u2019ll also get access to an 5 additional podcasts with hundreds of archived Impact Theory episodes, meticulously curated into themed playlists covering health, mindset, business, relationships, and more:\n\n\nLegendary Mindset: Mindset & Self-Improvement\n\n\nMoney Mindset: Business & Finance\n\n\nRelationship Theory: Relationships\n\n\nHealth Theory: Mental & Physical Health\n\n\nPower Ups: Weekly Doses of Short Motivational Quotes\xa0\n\nSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PCvJaz\nSubscribe on all other platforms (Google Podcasts, Spotify, Castro, Downcast, Overcast, Pocket Casts, Podcast Addict, Podcast Republic, Podkicker, and more) : https://impacttheorynetwork.supercast.com/\n\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices