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On this episode of Conversations with Tom, Donald Hoffman and Tom Bilyeu discuss the fascinating possibilities that stem from the theory that evolution gave us the equivalent of a desktop interface that hides the real truth from us so that we can take effective action. They discuss the nature of consciousness, free will, space-time, causality and the self.\n\nThis episode is brought to you by: \nBLUblox: Go to blublox.com/impacttheory for 15% off your order or use discount code ImpactTheory at checkout.\nBlinkist: Go to https://blinkist.com/impact Try it FREE for 7 days and save 25% off your new subscription.\n\nSHOW NOTES:\xa0\nMost of us believe that we see reality as it is. But we don\u2019t. [1:14]\nDonald describes how mathematical game theory explains natural selection [3:42]\nDonald talks about a game he created to simulate evolution [9:33]\nSeeing the truth and seeing what you need to survive are very different things [13:51]\nEvolution gave us the equivalent of a desktop interface, not the truth [18:11]\nEvery creature has a different user interface and perceives a different reality [24:57]\nIf we let go of logic and reasoning, then we have nothing left [32:10]\nThere will always be unprovable truths. You can never know it all. [35:14]\nDonald describes the process by which you \u201csee\u201d an apple [42:05]\nEvolution tells us that the language of space and time does not describe reality [47:53]\nDonald proposes that reality is a vast social network of conscious agents [49:39]\nA conscious agent creates their interpretation from their experiences [53:32]\nWhat is consciousness? [57:12] What does a conscious agent need to do? [1:00:49]\nDonald and Tom discuss fascinating cases of split-brain patients [1:08:13]\nIf space-time is doomed then is causality doomed as well? [1:22:17]\nDonald discusses free will and its relationship to cause and effect [1:28:01]\nThe self is a construction just like space and time [1:30:27]\nYou can never experience yourself choosing [1:39:15]\nDonald describes the experience of realizing that he is just inside a VR headset [1:40:01]\nWhat\u2019s the difference between math all the way down and turtles all the way down? [1:50:25]\nTom and Donald discuss the double-slit experiment in physics [1:56:18]\nDonald talks about his wife and his marriage [2:01:49]\nDonald and Tom discuss the possibility of taking off the headset [2:03:10]\nDonald and Tom discuss why they haven\u2019t used psychedelics [2:07:10]\nSince space-time is doomed, what\u2019s next? [2:13:27]\xa0\n\nFOLLOW DONALD: \nWEBSITE: https://bit.ly/2WLu47l\xa0\nTWITTER: https://bit.ly/2WKJ0SX\xa0\n\nAre You Ready for EXTRA Impact?\nIf you\u2019re ready to find true fulfillment, strengthen your focus, and ignite your true potential, the Impact Theory subscription was created just for you.\nThis is not for the faint of heart. This is for those who dare to learn obsessively, every day, day after day.\nSubscription Benefits:\n\nUnlock the gates to a treasure trove of wisdom from inspiring guests like Andrew Huberman, Mel Robbins, Hal Elrod, Matthew McConaughey, and many, many, more\n\nNew episodes delivered ad-free\n\nExclusive access to Tom\u2019s AMAs, keynote speeches, and suggestions from his personal reading list\n\nYou\u2019ll also get access to an 5 additional podcasts with hundreds of archived Impact Theory episodes, meticulously curated into themed playlists covering health, mindset, business, relationships, and more:\n\n\nLegendary Mindset: Mindset & Self-Improvement\n\n\nMoney Mindset: Business & Finance\n\n\nRelationship Theory: Relationships\n\n\nHealth Theory: Mental & Physical Health\n\n\nPower Ups: Weekly Doses of Short Motivational Quotes\xa0\n\nSubscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3PCvJaz\nSubscribe on all other platforms (Google Podcasts, Spotify, Castro, Downcast, Overcast, Pocket Casts, Podcast Addict, Podcast Republic, Podkicker, and more) : https://impacttheorynetwork.supercast.com/\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices