# 20 The playful experience of chaos with Jessica Creane of IKantKoan
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On May 18th, 2019, Ikantkoan Games founder Jessica Creane took the TED stage, under unusual circumstances, to give a talk about chaos theory. She explained that as a game designer, she takes complex systems and turns them into \\u201cplayful interactive experiences\\u201d\\xa0 Today, Jessica joins the show to talk about leaning into chaos in daily life, learning how to harness it, and of course how one turns a haiku into a full contact sport.\\xa0
Selected Links:
-TED talk- Gamifying Chaos: Embracing Uncertainty Through Play
-IKANTKOAN Games
-Instagram
-Twitter
-Facebook
-Know Thyself
-Immanuel Kant
-Koan: To provoke the \\u2018Great doubt\\u2019
Show Notes:
- Fictional world for exploration [2:42]
- How does a Haiku become a full contact sport? [4:35]
- How to start designing games [7:23]
- What is the show, \\u2018Chaos Theory\\u2019? [9:18]
- What is the concept, chaos theory? [11:09]
- Finding systems in things that appear to be systemless [12:31]
- Why do you feel like people are drawn to chaos? [13:46]
- What is Know Thyself? (philosophy as a game?) [15:20]
- Making philosophy practical [17:53]
- Make it immersive [19:44]
- \\u2018You mean I have to think??\\u2019 [24:32]
- Well what did you think this experience was about? [26:53]
- Fear of the unknown vs. attraction to chaos [28:49]
- How to build a little chaos into your life [30:50]
- What is devised theater? [34:22]
- Why the name \\u2018IKantKoan\\u2019? [35:49]
- The inception of \\u2018IKantKoan games\\u2019 [38:12]
- What\\u2019s next for Jessica and IKantKoan? [39:53]
- Stories from Jessica\\u2019s guests [41:50]
- Jessica on the TED stage [45:21]
- A major change on stage [48:22]
- Where can folks find Jessica\\u2019s work? [51:54]