Beyond Plastics and IPEN (the International Pollutants Elimination Network) released \u201cChemical Recycling: A Dangerous Deception,\u201d a critical examination of the technology\u2019s long history of failure and the threats it poses to the environment, human health, and environmental justice. The report precedes the upcoming United Nations international plastics treaty talks, to be held in Nairobi, Kenya, from November 13 to 19, 2023. We hear from Judith Enck of Beyond Plastics and Lee Bell, IPEN science policy advisor and the lead author of the report. With Mark Dunlea for Hudson Mohawk Magazine (husband of Judith Enck).