Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to the deaths of the legendary Archbishop Desmond Tutu (14:07) and coach-broadcaster John Madden (18:52). Plus, discussing Joe Rogan's suggestion of Michelle Obama for president in 2024 (27:42) and journalist Cerise Castle joins to provide insight on violence from the LAPD and gang affiliation within the department (35:38).\xa0\n\nHosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay\nGuest: Cerise Castle\nProducers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices