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b'After discussing their podcast companion beverages, the guys got stuck into answering listener Tom\\u2019s (whom Ben met at the Consumer Federation of America\\u2019s National Food Policy conference) request for guidance on research areas in food safety. Don\\u2019s advice was that Tom should follow his passion and from there pick a university or faculty members to work with. This then turned into a broader discussion about education, with a focus on distance and online learning. Don then talked about his attendance at ISGP\\u2019s Food Safety, Security, and Defense: Focus on Technologies and Innovations conference in Verona, Italy, which operates under the Chatham House Rules (not to be confused with the Cider House Rules). Don really enjoyed the discussions between the scientific experts and policy makers and he enjoyed meeting Lynn Frewer. Don also talked about his and Dane\\u2019s recent visit to GOJO to discuss Dane\\u2019s PhD research topic. In the Bug Trivia segment, Ben talked about Clostridium botulinum, the \\u2018sausage poisoning\\u2019 bug, which Ben wrote about recently on Barfblog. The guys thought that tin-foiled potatoes caused unnecessarily large concern because of this outbreak, as most botulism cases are linked to ineffective home canning practices. While Ben had trouble pronouncing nitrosamines, he challenged Andreas to find papers by Gibson and Roberts on Clostridium and cured meats \\u2013 Andreas found Factors controlling the growth of Clostridium botulinum types A and B in pasteurized, cured meats parts I, II, III, IV, V, and VI. The guys then talked about the Egg Rollie, as Erin wanted to know whether the cooked \\u2018egg rollie\\u2019 could be contaminated by raw egg as it rises. Ben wasn\\u2019t too concerned and Don pointed out that while there was a risk, the risks of illness from eating raw eggs were rather low. The conversation then turned to the Listeria and cantaloupes, as FDA was planning to undertake a survey of Listeria monocytogenes in US cantaloupe packing houses (here is the letter sent to the cantaloupe industry). Ben has been organizing industry workshops with Chris Gunter (who appeared on the show in Episode 3) and some others. Ben explained what he would do if he was a producer and FDA were about to visit his packing house for sampling. Don agreed with Ben\\u2019s strategy and pointed out that baseline information on pathogen prevalence on produce was needed. However, the guys couldn\\u2019t understand why the samples were not also going to be tested for Salmonella, which had been involved in more produce related outbreaks than Listeria. In addition, Don wasn\\u2019t convinced that this survey was the best use of public funds. This then reminded Don of a USA Today article on sequestration which included a Doug Powell quote, which Don also posted on his Tumblr stream. Ben sent a shout out to Ashley Chaifetz, a PhD student studying public policy, who wrote a Barfblog post on Salmonella in dog food (and this follow up post) and how she now longer trusted the dog food manufacturer. Finally the guys sent a big thank you to the folks at SHS Design who updated their FST logo for iTunes. In the after dark the guys talked about a couple of iTunes comments, their usual scheduling challenges, a potential guest, "Rappaz R.N. Dainja\\u201d and Science Online.'