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There are times I am a bit shocked by the wonderful connections that I have been blessed to facilitate through my work and the EMP podcast. \n\nThe friendship that\u2019s formed between John and Nick is one of the strange and wonderful connections. \n\nIf you have been following the podcast you\u2019ll definitely be familiar with John Vervaeke Director of Cognitive Science at the University of Toronto, author of Zombies in Western Culture and creator of the YouTube series Awakening from the Meaning Crisis, who has become one of my primary mentors. \n\nNick Winkelman is back for his second appearance and is another of my favorite thinkers, the Author of the Language of Coaching, Director of Science and Performance for Irish Rugby and former Director of Athlete Preparation for the NFL combine at Exos. \n\nI introduced Nick to John\u2019s work during our first interview in May of last year. Since then Nick and John have formed a friendship and ongoing dialogue of their own\u2014 one that resonates deeply with the central themes of Evolve Move Play. \n\nTheir second interview on John\u2019s channel was the inspiration for this discussion, in particular a discussion they had around shamanism and its relationship to the cognitive science concept of enactedness and Nick\u2019s work around analogies in motor learning. \n\n\nWhile that was the starting point, this conversation became a deep dive into the role of embodiment and physical practices in overcoming the meaning crisis, how we scaffold up more integrated selves and better sense making from our physical practices, and how we can bring the sense making conversation down into the body. \n\nI think you guys will get a ton out of this one!\n\n\n\n\n============\nLearn More about John Vervaeke\n\nYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyre9Ij2nCg&ab_channel=JohnVervaeke\nTwitter: @vervaeke_john\n\nLearn More about Nick Winkelman\n\nIG: @nickwinkelman\nTwitter: @NickWinkelman\n============\n============\n\n\U0001f44dTo support the podcast please like, share, subscribe and turn on the notifications by hitting the bell icon. \n\n\U0001f464 VISIT US ONLINE\n- EMP Website: https://www.evolvemoveplay.com\n- EMP Shop: https://shop.evolvemoveplay.com\n- IG: @RafeKelly - http://www.instagram.com/rafekelley/ \n- FB: @RafeKelleyMovement - https://www.facebook.com/RafeKelleyMovement/\n- Twitter: @rafekelley - https://twitter.com/rafekelley\n- YT Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/user/Faelcind?sub_confirmation=1\n- Become a Patron: https://www.patreon.com/rafekelley\n============