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\U0001f449 Want to join us on Zoom for a LIVE airing of an EMP Podcast? https://cart.evolvemoveplay.com/plus/ \n\nOnce a month, we\u2019ll be holding live conversations that you can be a part of! \n\nWith EMP Podcast Plus, you\u2019ll get a members-only \u201cbackstage pass\u201d and exclusive access to:\n\U0001f534 Monthly LIVE Zoom calls with Rafe Kelley & EMP Podcast guests\n\U0001f399 Ask your Questions Live to Movement + Meaning Experts after the show\n\U0001f4ac Access to EMP\u2019s distraction-free movement discussion community\n\U0001f4f9 Exclusive Monthly Response video from Rafe to member questions\n\U0001f45f Movement Challenges for your Daily Practice!\nand so much more...\n\nWe hope to see you soon in our thriving movement community! \n\nJust hit the link below to chat with us between shows and in the next live episode!\n\U0001f449 Join on https://cart.evolvemoveplay.com/plus/ \n\n============\n\nWelcome back to the EMP Podcast!\n\nJohn Vervaeke took an interest in my recent conversations with Paul Vander Klay and reached out to continue the discussion as a three way dialogue. \n\nJohn is of course both a good friend and massive influence for both Paul and I so we were very interested in having John join us to continue this ongoing discussion. \n\nAs it turned out the conversation focused to a significant degree on what is happening within me in relationships to the question of spirituality or religion, which is quite personal thing to share but I think the openness of the discussion and the fact there are three people occupying quite different places in relationship to it make it useful for anyone curious about these questions. \n\nAs we finish the conversation John frames the question this way: Does the answer to the meaning crisis lie in conservatism(a return to tradition) or in something new and emergent.\n\nThis is really the center of the discussion. Wherever your stand on that question I think the questions we grapple with are insightful and certainly conversing with these two has been deeply informative for me. \n\nFor now I plan to leave this topic behind for a while, and return to more of a focus on movement practices specifically with some discussion of the influence of wisdom traditions from Taoism and Buddhism coming up as well. \n\nPlease share your thoughts with us on what you get out of these conversations. \n\nThank you. \n\n============\nLearn More about John Vervaeke\n\nYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyre9Ij2nCg&ab_channel=JohnVervaeke\nTwitter: @vervaeke_john\n\nLearn More about Paul Vander Klay\n\nWeb: https://paulvanderklay.me/about-2/\nTwitter:@PaulVanderKlay\nYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGsDIP_K6J6VSTqlq-9IPlg\n\n============\n\n\U0001f44dTo support the podcast please like, share, subscribe and turn on the notifications by hitting the bell icon. \n\n\U0001f464 VISIT US ONLINE\n- EMP Website: https://www.evolvemoveplay.com\n- EMP Shop: https://shop.evolvemoveplay.com\n- IG: @RafeKelly - http://www.instagram.com/rafekelley/ \n- FB: @RafeKelleyMovement - https://www.facebook.com/RafeKelleyMovement/\n- Twitter: @rafekelley - https://twitter.com/rafekelley\n- YT Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/user/Faelcind?sub_confirmation=1\n- Become a Patron: https://www.patreon.com/rafekelley\n============