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We are never ever getting back together with the original version of Red, as we submit ourselves this week to Taylor's Version of her acclaimed 2012 LP. Joining us to unpack some tracks is self-diagnosed super swiftie Kathleen Duke! We talk fandom lore, changes in updated versions, vault tracks, and... Taylor's secret sexual awakening?

Also discussed is ALLIE X's Cape God Deluxe and Betty Who's new era which we swear is really gonna happen one day.

At the SPA: YEARS & YEARS (Sweet Talker feat. Galantis), JON BATISTE (I Need You), AURORA (Midas Touch), NEON TREES (Holiday Rock), and SILK SONIC (Smokin Out The Window)!