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b'Nation states no longer work effectively in tandem. Gone are the days of hegemonic US power directly ordering the allies. Furthermore, groups like the UN are ineffective, with disruptors often calling the shots. However, NATO stands apart as an example of how countries can work together successfully and how a global institution can remain largely uncontroversial, while doing serious coordinating work to solve real world problems.\\xa0\\n\\xa0\\nIn this episode our hosts and guests relate their perspectives about what NATO stands for, its strengths and limitations, and the threats it faces. Former NATO Deputy Sec General, Jamie Shea tells about how the organisation worked in the Balkans and Afghanistan, while Kori Schake mulls over the role of the US as NATO\\u2019s hegemonic leader. Timothy Garton Ash comments on distinctions between NATO and the EU especially as pertains to values like liberty. Finally, Charles Kupchan examines why Russia chooses to actively disorder. Charles and Jason disagree agreeable on China\\u2019s role as an orderer vs. disorderer.\\xa0\\xa0\\n\\xa0\\nTwitter: @DisorderShow\\xa0\\nWebsite: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/nato-and-adversaries\\xa0\\xa0\\n\\xa0\\nProducer: George McDonagh\\xa0\\nExec Producer: Neil Fearn\\xa0\\n\\xa0\\nShow Notes Links\\xa0\\n\\xa0\\nFor more on Kori Schake, visit here\\n\\xa0\\nFor more on Jamie Shea, visit here\\xa0\\n\\xa0\\nGet Timothy Garton Ash\\u2019s book, Homelands here\\n\\xa0\\nFor more on Charles Kupchan, visit here\\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices'