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b'NATO is the longest lasting and most successful military alliance in human history. Today NATOs 75th Summit in Washington, DC comes to a close. What can NATO\\u2019s past tell us about\\xa0 its probably future?\\xa0\\xa0\\n\\xa0\\nTo commemorate this symbolic occasion, Jason is joined by Peter Apps. He is the author of \\u2018Deterring Armageddon: A Biography of NATO\\u2019, a global defence columnist for Reuters, and a British Army reservist. He has reported from more than 20 countries over two decades, despite being paralyzed in a frontline car crash in Sri Lanka in 2006.\\xa0\\xa0\\n\\xa0\\nJason and Peter discuss: Lord Ismay\\u2019s dictum; how has the Ukraine war affected the alliance?; how important are personalities to the alliance and how it works?; and how can NATO\\u2019s history, institutional biography, and legacy of diplomatic flexibility shed some light on how it might respond to the unprecedented challenges around it \\u2014 from the rise of the far right in National Rally in France, the AfD in Germany, to the spectre of Trump \\u2014 and the challenges posed to NATO by Putin, Xi, climate change, AI, and misinformation.\\xa0\\n\\xa0\\nTwitter: @DisorderShow\\xa0\\n\\xa0\\nSubscribe to our Substack: https://natoandtheged.substack.com/\\xa0\\xa0\\n\\xa0\\nWebsite: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/\\xa0\\xa0\\n\\xa0\\nProducer: George McDonagh\\xa0\\nExec Producer: Neil Fearn\\xa0\\n\\xa0\\nShow Notes Links\\xa0\\n\\xa0\\nPeter\\u2019s book Deterring Armageddon: A Biography of NATO: the "astonishingly fine history" of the world\'s most successful military alliance https://www.amazon.co.uk/Deterring-Armageddon-Biography-astonishingly-successful/dp/103540575X\\xa0\\xa0\\n\\xa0\\nListen to Disorder Ep6. NATO: A Model for Ordering the Disorder? with Kori Shacke, Timothy Garton Ash, Jamie Shea and Charles Kupchan: https://pod.link/1706818264/episode/9472a8b7d262dd9fb0cd9827e8947964\\xa0\\xa0\\n\\xa0\\nAbout the NATO Defense College Foundation: https://www.natofoundation.org/about-us\\xa0\\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices'