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b'In this episode, Jason Pack and Alexandra Hall Hall open with their thoughts on the EU\\u2019s strengths and weaknesses \\u2013 concluding that the old adage, \\u2018The EU is an economic colossus and a political pygmy\\u2019, is not too far off. To investigate how the EU leverages its trade clout, Alex interviews John Clarke \\u2013 a British national who worked for more than 30 years as a trade negotiator for the EU.\\u202fJohn tells us the tricks of the trade: how the US would steal trade dossiers during negotiations, how the psychology of negotiations works, and how the devil is in the details of free trade agreements.\\xa0\\xa0\\n\\nHe also describes how the EU\\u2019s trade treaties are like the different reciprocal drinking arrangements down at the pub. And of course, John gives Alex an insider\\u2019s perspective of \\u2018what went wrong\\u2019 over Brexit. In Ordering the Disorder, Jason and Alex discuss the lack of specific training that US and UK Ambassadors receive about negotiations, how the EU must navigate a fine line between the US and China, and how the rise of Neo-Populism in Europe could spell the end to EU\\u2019s trade negotiating prowess.\\xa0\\n\\xa0\\nTwitter: @DisorderShow\\xa0\\n\\xa0\\nWebsite: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/subscribe\\xa0\\n\\xa0\\nProducer: George McDonagh\\xa0\\nExec Producer: Neil Fearn\\xa0\\n\\xa0\\nShow Notes Links\\xa0\\nFor more visit\\xa0here\\nRead more about Europe\\u2019s Trade Ambitions here\\nFor more on the EU\\u2019s recent New Zealand trade deal visit here\\nFind more on the tensions at play within EU read "Poland opposes extension of EU trade preferences for Ukraine\\u201d\\xa0here\\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices'