Two Friends, at 35 and 95, Confront Loss and Find Hope
Climate activists Jess Serrante and Joanna Macy are 60 years apart. They\u2019re also close friends who\u2019ve been sharing stories and commiserating about the state of the world for the past 10 years. When Jess experienced a crisis and started questioning whether her activism was really effective, Joanna provided a framework that changed everything.\xa0\nIn this episode, Anna talks to Jess about what she\u2019s learned from Joanna about aging, activism, and managing the emotional ups and downs of caring about the world.\xa0\xa0\nYou can listen to Jess and Joanna\u2019s podcast, We Are the Great Turning, here or wherever you listen to podcasts. Artist Autumn Leiker is mentioned in the episode, and you can learn more about her work here.\xa0\nPodcast production by Cameron Drews.\xa0\nDeath, Sex & Money is now produced by Slate! To support us and our colleagues, please sign up for our membership program, Slate Plus! Members get ad-free podcasts, bonus content on lots of Slate shows, and full access to all the articles on Slate.com. Sign up today at slate.com/dsmplus.\nAnd if you\u2019re new to the show, welcome. We\u2019re so glad you\u2019re here. Find us and follow us on Instagram and you can find Anna\u2019s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our new email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is deathsexmoney@slate.com.\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices