#335 - Adam Gopnik on THE REAL WORK

Published: May 20, 2023, 2:31 p.m.

The New Yorker's Adam Gopnik chats with Trey Elling about THE REAL WORK: ON THE MYSTERY OF MASTERY. Topics include:

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  • The book\u2019s goal (0:38)
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  • The importance of learning new skills (3:26)
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  • Defining \u2018mastery\u2019 (6:12)
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  • The mystery of performance (8:19)
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  • Jamy Ian Swiss and the real work (13:15)
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  • \u201cThe method is not the trick\u201d (16:33)
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  • Learning about mastery from David Blaine (19:11)
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  • The mystery of identity and intention (23:53)
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  • The challenge of Adam learning to drive a car in his 50s (29:07)
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  • How learning to drive in NYC changed his perception of the city (32:38)
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  • Courtesy waves (34:54)
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  • The mystery of interiority (36:24)
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  • The mystery of meaning (40:17)
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  • The mystery of late style (46:22)
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  • Overcoming a shy bladder (49:32)
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  • Whether learning how to draw altered Adam\u2019s perception as an art critic (55:13)
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