Published: May 20, 2023, 2:31 p.m.
The New Yorker's Adam Gopnik chats with Trey Elling about THE REAL WORK: ON THE MYSTERY OF MASTERY. Topics include:
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\n - The book\u2019s goal (0:38)
\n - The importance of learning new skills (3:26)
\n - Defining \u2018mastery\u2019 (6:12)
\n - The mystery of performance (8:19)
\n - Jamy Ian Swiss and the real work (13:15)
\n - \u201cThe method is not the trick\u201d (16:33)
\n - Learning about mastery from David Blaine (19:11)
\n - The mystery of identity and intention (23:53)
\n - The challenge of Adam learning to drive a car in his 50s (29:07)
\n - How learning to drive in NYC changed his perception of the city (32:38)
\n - Courtesy waves (34:54)
\n - The mystery of interiority (36:24)
\n - The mystery of meaning (40:17)
\n - The mystery of late style (46:22)
\n - Overcoming a shy bladder (49:32)
\n - Whether learning how to draw altered Adam\u2019s perception as an art critic (55:13)
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