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Environmental & social justice advocate, journalist, and bestselling author Michael Shellenberger chats with Trey Elling about SAN FRANSICKO: WHY PROGRESSIVES RUIN CITIES. Questions include:

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• What caused San Francisco\'s problem with homelessness to worsen over the past decade? (00:47)
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• Why did then-mayor Gavin Newsom\'s  10-year plan to combat homelessness fail so miserably? (03:00)
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• How do people misinterpret Portugal as a utopia for drug decriminalization/legalization? (05:09)
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• What did he learn from two trips to the Netherlands in 2019 about productively assisting the homeless? (07:19)
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• How big an issue is people profiteering off of a \'homeless industrial complex\'? (11:54)
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• What is contingency management intervention, and why is it effective at helping drug addicts? (16:01)
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• Why does labeling drug addicts and the mentally ill as \'homeless\' manipulate our thinking? (19:40)
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• How did an attempt at a Tent City utopia in Seattle in the summer of 2020 ultimately turn out? (22:06)
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• What is a lesser-known aspect of the Harvey Milk\'s story that\'s helpful when considering solutions for homelessness? (28:02)
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