In this new episode following their second number night, Elizabeth and Leigh sit down at a distance from each other and talk about the withdrawing stance of types 4, 5, and 9. Elizabeth\u2019s husband Nathaniel joins them for the section talking specifically about 5\u2019s. They start out with a discussion about the shared traits of these withdrawing stances and then go into detail about each one.\n\nElizabeth and Leigh have been apprentices of Enneagram master Suzanne Stabile. Their goal is to share this practical and transformational tool with others in a way that is narrative, inclusive and accessible. Have a listen to Episode 1-10 if you haven\u2019t, to get an introduction to the 9 types and overview of the Enneagram.\n\n Intro overview 0-20:50\n\n Type 4 specifics - 20:50-48:00\n\n Type 5 specifics - 48:00-1:05:20\n\n Type 9 specifics - 1:05:20-1:23.40\n\n \u201cIf I sit around and \u201cif only\u201d everything, then I don\u2019t have to prove to myself that I might fail at what I actually want to do. So back to Mary Oliver, You don\u2019t have to be good, you just have to love what you love. Well loving what you love, means doing it, doing it, doing it, doing it, and stop all the ruminating. Risk being terrible at it. Risk looking dumb doing it.\u201d \n\n\u2014 Elizabeth talking about type 4's