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This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. We all have exes we wish we could forget\\u2014the narcissists, the psychopaths, the ruthless, small-handed cult leader currently serving #120years in prison. It\\u2019s a tale as old as time! But few people have lived that story quite like Karen Unterreiner did when, at only 18-years-old, she became romantically intertwined with Keith Raniere. Over the next 40 years, she\\u2019d go on to become a top level NXIVM trainer, a key figure of the Executive Success Programs\\u2019 leadership committee, and an overseer of administration (bookkeeping) and IT.
Now free of Raniere\\u2019s coercive control (read: fuckery), Unterreiner has spent the last five years recovering and discovering her true self. For today\\u2019s episode, we spoke with her about dating an actual monster, how NXIVM functioned as a company, (and why it was messy), and whether or not the technology they used was actually any good, or more like rubbing two sticks together.\\xa0
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