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Jonas Altman describes himself as a workologist, someone who studies work in order to help people do their best work. In this interview, April and Jonas talk about "Zoom fatigue" and how listening and having a conversation without always being on video helps the mind to concentrate in a different way. They also talk about how leaders of organizations that allow employees to work from home can help their workforce avoid burnout by creating a culture of trust and autonomy, especially as more people transition to remote work options, allowing people more choice about where and when they work. \n\nJonas is currently in Vancouver, and he is the founder of an award-winning design practice, Social Fabric. Jonas left his job in the music industry to work from home, and he has embraced the work-from-anywhere lifestyle and wrote a large portion of his book in a local coffee shop. The book is called Shapers: Reinvent the Way You Work and Change the Future. Over the course of his work-from-home experience, he's created fashion brands, ran a digital agency, launched London's first lifestyle and technology incubator, and now advises on culture change to some of the world\u2019s boldest organisations. He helps create learning experiences that transform people so they can elevate how they organise, collaborate, and innovate. He is also an adjunct professor at the University of British Columbia\u2019s Sauder School of Business and loves surfing in his spare time.