We're bringing you one of our favorite interviews this week: Katherine May, author of the tremendous book WINTERING: THE POWER OF REST AND RETREAT IN DIFFICULT TIMES.\nWritten before the pandemic but perfectly relevant to these times, WINTERING explores how the natural world prepares for and survives winter\u2013 and how we can apply the lessons of actual winters to the metaphorical winters in our lives where, as Katherine puts it, "we feel like the world has pushed us out. We feel isolated, depressed, locked out in the cold, and that the rest of life is drifting away from us."\nWe all go through personal winters. Sometimes they're for terrible reasons (an unexpected death); sometimes they're for happy ones (a newborn who needs to be fed every two hours). Sometimes they're brief and not too unbearable; sometimes no end is in sight.\nWinter is cyclical, it's part of life, and it can be understood as a time of rest and of waiting, rather than of stillness and death. There is much that winter can teach us, and we loved both this conversation with Katherine and her profound book.\nYou can find WINTERING: THE POWER OF REST AND RETREAT IN DIFFICULT TIMES in our Bookshop store: https://bookshop.org/a/12099/9780593189481\nSpecial thanks to our sponsors for this month: \nAthletic Greens\xa0powder supports your sleep quality, energy, and immune system. Get a free 1-year supply of Vitamin D and 5 free travel packs with your first purchase at\xa0athleticgreens.com/laughing.\nAura Frames make it easy to share photos with your loved ones from anywhere in the world using the Aura app. Visit auraframes.com and use the code FRESHHELL to get $30 off. \nGivewell researches and recommends charities that do an incredible amount of good. Get donations up to $250 matched at givewell.org by picking PODCAST, and entering What Fresh Hell at checkout.\nHelix customized mattresses will give you the best sleep of your life! Get up to $200 off all mattress orders, plus two free pillows, at helixsleep.com/laughing.\nKiwiCo\xa0projects make science, technology, engineering, art, and math super fun. Get 50% off your first month at\xa0kiwico.com\xa0with the code\xa0MOTHERHOOD.\nOnce Upon a Farm fruit and vegetable blends are made with whole, organic, farm-fresh ingredients . Go to onceuponafarmorganics.com and use the code FRESH25 for 25% off your first order.\nProse\xa0now makes supplements personally tailored to address your specific cause of hair shedding . Get your free in-depth consultation and 15% off your custom hair supplements at\xa0prose.com/laughing.\xa0\nQuip electric toothbrushes have timed sonic vibrations with 30-second pulses to guide a dentist-recommended two-minute clean. Go to getquip.com/LAUGHING to get your first refill FREE.\xa0\nSchool Toolbox makes shopping for school supplies for your kids easier\u2013 and also creates fundraising opportunities for your school! Find out more at schooltoolbox.com/whatfreshhell.\nStoryWorth\xa0helps your loved ones share stories through thought-provoking questions about their memories and personal thoughts. Get started with $10 off at\xa0storyworth.com/whatfreshhell.\xa0\nWINN\xd8W is the first clean face cream to pair CBD with ingredients like shea butter and hyaluronic and amino acids. Go to www.winnowcbd.com and use the code FRESH15\xa0to save 15% on your first order.\xa0\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices