Diversity, equity, and inclusion remain lofty goals for organizations. If they remain, as aspirational rhetoric, they are of little use or value. They only matter if they are operationalized. But operationalizing DEI is difficult because it requires facilitating access, a willingness to take action, and holding people accountable. Discrimination exists in all organizations. And its not a secret who are the most egregious actors; in fact many are open about their views because they have long standing power. Real change only happens when leaders can hold power to account. This is the subject of this episode of Voices Worth Listening To.