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Our guest today is Jason Korman, who entered the world of consulting via the wine industry.

Jason is the founder of Stormhoek Winery, a South African wine label. While running that label, he retained Hugh MacLeod to blog and draw for Stormhoek, creating one of the the web\u2019s earlier social media campaigns.

Even if you don\u2019t recognize the name Hugh MacLeod, you have probably seen his cartoons, which are absolutely distinctive. Hugh\u2019s cartoons are generally about the world of work and marketing, and the drawings are beautiful and abstract, often resembling a cross between Rube Goldberg and Pablo Picasso. I've been subscribing to his daily blog for years and years \u2013 check it out at GapingVoid.com

My hero Seth Godin is a huge fan of Hugh, and I think that\u2019s how I first discovered him.\xa0 Hugh is also the author of the book Ignore Everybody, which I highly recommend.

So Jason hired Hugh, and the campaign that Hugh developed was widely successful and won all sorts of awards \u2013 while the work helped sell wine, they found it was also helping people have important conversations.

One thing led to another, and the winemaker and the cartoonist decided to set up a consulting firm, and the Gaping Void Culture Design Group was born.

In our discussion, Jason tells me about how his firm helps corporate clients use art to drive cultural change. The firm is happy to partner with independent consultants, so if you are working to drive cultural change at your client, check out the website to explore if it might make sense to collaborate \u2013 visit gapingvoid.com