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Ep.227: Alex (@aebridgeman) is joined by Dustin Seal (@dustinseale).\n\nMy guest today is Dustin Seale, co-author of Lead Through Anything alongside Ed Manfre and managing partner at executive search and leadership firm, Heidrick & Struggles. Dustin has spent his career working with high-performing CEOs from over 70 countries to help transform teams and find the right successors for CEOs and other C-suite executives. \n\nWe talk about what to look for in CEO successors, including the Microsoft search Dustin\u2019s firm led to replace Steve Ballmer, why internal talent is often discounted, key predictors for success in leaders, and the core characteristics of purpose, vitality, and agility that all the best leaders Dustin has studied have, and how other CEOs can develop those traits.\n\nListen weekly and follow the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, Breaker, and TuneIn.\xa0\n\nLearn more about Alex and Think Like an Owner at https://tlaopodcast.com/\n\nLinks:\nLead Through Anything by Dustin Seale\nDustin on Linkedin\n\nTopics:\n(00:00:00) - Intro\n(00:04:48) - The process of replacing Steve Balmer as CEO of Microsoft\n(00:09:31) - Pros and cons of internal vs. external candidates in a CEO search\n(00:10:59) - What qualities are you looking for in a CEO for a company as large as Microsoft?\n(00:16:46) - Creating flexibility with nonlinear planning\n(00:26:51) - Pushing messages as a CEO\n(00:29:39) - Turning a group of individuals into a team united\n(00:32:47) - How new CEOs can make efficient evaluations?\n(00:41:06) - Dustin\u2019s process for writing the book\n(00:47:58) - Measuring purpose, vitality, and agility\n(00:52:17) - Dealing with burnout and lack of fulfillment\n(00:56:24) - Dustin\u2019s journey to improve vitality\n(00:59:54) - Key concepts to take away from the book