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Ep.215: Alex (@aebridgeman) is joined by Ayman Al-Abdullah (@aymanalabdul).\nMy guest today is Ayman Al-Abdullah, former CEO of Appsumo and now executive coach to other ambitious CEOs looking to scale 7 and 8-figure businesses past $100m, Ayman\u2019s specialty. I love learning from CEOs who\u2019ve made that journey and can share key lessons and takeaways, and Ayman fits that to a \u201cT.\u201d He\u2019s also a Durham native, which is where my wife and I will be moving to this summer so we had some fun talking about his move from Austin.\nAyman and I talk about chokepoints in a company\u2019s growth, habits that made him successful at Appsumo, why he stepped down as CEO, and how other ambitious CEOs can be more effective in their leadership roles.\n\nListen weekly and follow the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, Breaker, and TuneIn.\xa0\nLearn more about Alex and Think Like an Owner at https://tlaopodcast.com/\n\nI want to tell you about the audience survey we are currently running. These surveys help us create the best content for listeners and better understand your needs and interests. Thank you in advance for sharing your feedback, we greatly appreciate it.\xa0\nTake the survey here: https://bit.ly/3QLBB1N\n\nLinks:\nAyman on X\nAyman's website\nHow to Make a Few Billion Dollars by Brad Jacobs\nThe Accountant Trailer\n\nTopics:\n(00:00:00) - Intro\n(00:04:20) - Leaving AppSumo to pursue coaching\n(00:12:28) - What was the most informative experience for you in the CEO role?\n(00:14:27) -\xa0What gets companies over the $7m hurdle?\n(00:18:26) - What culture questions do you enjoy asking?\n(00:24:03) - Improving the Sales role\n(00:25:50) - Who was the best salesperson you ever hired?\n(00:27:38) - Skills you need vs. what can be taught in sales\n(00:31:34) - Have you reflected on whether you were born to be a CEO?\n(00:34:44) - What have you found that helps CEOs succeed in the role?\n(00:37:29) - Weekly journaling and exercise rituals\n(00:42:30) - Ayman\u2019s 25-year vision\n(00:50:57) - Do you study other CEOs?\n(00:53:25) - The hero\u2019s journey\n(01:02:41) - What\u2019s something you\u2019re passionate about?