In this episode, our guest is Olivier Hamant. Olivier is a PI at INRAE in the Plant Reproduction and Development laboratory in Lyon, France. Olivier did his PhD on KNOX homeobox genes in 2003, and then postdocs in Berkeley with Zac Cande and with Jan Traas in Lyon. He took his current position at INRAE in 2012, where he works on the mechanobiology of development. Olivier has received a number of awards in recent years, including Prix Foulon\u201d from the French science academy \u2013 2020. \n \nThe jumping-off point for our discussion is a commentary that Olivier wrote entitled \u201cPlants Show us the Light\u201d, published in Trends in Plant Science in 2020. There, he argues that evolution favors robustness over efficiency, and cites several recent discoveries in the field of photosynthesis to support his argument. From there, we apply the lens of efficiency versus robustness to a range of applications, including other aspects of biology, lab organization, and even the global economy. We also touch on ways that the COVID pandemic revealed this tension.\n \n\nShow Notes:\nOlivier Hamant. Plants Show us the Light. Trends Plant Sci. (2020). 26:97-99.\nhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33221171/\n \nTwitter Handles \n\nLiz Haswell Twitter @ehaswell\n\nIvan Baxter Twitter @baxtertwi\n\nTaproot Podcast Twitter @taprootpodcast