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#### We\u2019ve all heard companies talk big about how they value diversity. But many still aren\u2019t willing to quantify how they\u2019re doing: who works there? Who\u2019s getting hired and promoted? Are people being paid equitably? On today\u2019s show, we talk about diversity, data, and how one engineer\u2019s call for hard numbers shook things up.\n\nThat engineer was Tracy Chou\u2014a leading voice in tech industry diversity and inclusion conversations. She\u2019s a wildly talented software engineer who believes in the importance of increasing transparency among tech companies, the need for tech to value a humanities education, and the pleasures of spending way too much time on Twitter.\n\n> As an engineer, I\u2019m so used to having to have data for everything. But the lack of data on the workforce side just felt so hypocritical to me. It seemed like it wasn\u2019t really a problem that we wanted to solve if we weren\u2019t even looking at the data. \n> \u2014**[Tracy Chou](https://twitter.com/triketora),\xa0 Project Include founding advisor\xa0**\n\nWe talked with Tracy about:\n\n- What the real picture of diversity in tech companies looks like and [where the numbers are](https://medium.com/@triketora/where-are-the-numbers-cb997a57252).\n- Why it\u2019s important for tech companies to get comfortable releasing data about their workforce, and why it\u2019s critical to consider the intersectionality of diversity efforts.\n- A nonprofit Tracy helped to found called [Project Include](http://projectinclude.org/), which shares best practices around implementing diversity and inclusion solutions.\n\nPlus, we talk about ch-ch-ch-changes and asking for help:\n\n- Specifically, change at work\u2014[how we deal with it](https://hbr.org/2016/09/how-to-get-better-at-dealing-with-change) and how it can affect us emotionally and physically.\n- And yup, we constantly have to remind ourselves that it\u2019s ok to ask for help. The good news is, we\u2019re helping each other do it more. Jenn even got to take a vacation complete with _funnel cake_, because she asked for help with childcare.\n\n## Sponsors\n\nThis episode of NYG is brought to you by:\n\n[](https://www.shopify.com/careers)\n\n_[Shopify](https://www.shopify.com/careers), a leading global commerce platform that\u2019s building a world-class team to define the future of entrepreneurship. **Visit [shopify.com/careers](https://www.shopify.com/careers)\xa0for more.**_\n\n[](https://www.getharvest.com/)_[Harvest](https://www.getharvest.com/), makers of\xa0awesome software to help you track your time, manage your projects, and get paid. Try it free, then **use code NOYOUGO to get 50% off** your first paid month._\n\n## Transcript